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sanguinity wrote in atheismandrace
Skeptifem: Bill Maher and the white dude privilege of new atheists/skeptics.

Pharyngula: The problem of the oblivious white male atheist.

I'm mostly link-dumping because I'm supposed to be doing other things, but:
  • I agree with the bones of skeptifem's critique about casual misogyny and racism passing unremarked, and the degree of privilege-defending pushback you see from commenters (as demonstrated by the commenters at RichardDawkins.net). Yay, skeptifem, and more, please!

  • When Pharyngula says, "The problem isn't dismissal. It's casual disregard," I can't help but notice that he is dismissing skeptifem's point. Fortunately, there seem to be some people arguing in the comments that he missed the boat here.

  • Also, he called for suggestions for atheist speakers who aren't white males; as near as I can tell all the recommendations made so far, excepting Hirsi Ali, are white women. (That comment thread is moving fast: this is already outdated. But not by much.)
I'm assuming there might be profitable places to throw comments in.

On a happier note, the linking eventually traces back to an interview with Sikivu Hutchinson. Although, again, I can't help but notice that the stuff that she is discussing in that interview -- the experience of being a black atheist in the atheist community -- is being ignored in the links above.

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When Pharyngula says, "The problem isn't dismissal. It's casual disregard," I can't help but notice that he is dismissing skeptifem's point. Fortunately, there seem to be some people arguing in the comments that he missed the boat here.


I don't think he's dismissing it. He addresses her point in the earlier paragraph. I just think he disagrees.

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Yeah. I had a flush of exhaustion, too.

Would it be better if I did not post this kind of linkdump? Keep the focus on the atheism of POC, or atheism in POC communities?

Yeah, same here. My current inclination is to avoid and ignore most currently prominent white atheists (I like the historical ones better, oddly) and just focus on reading more atheist/otherwise freethinking POCs and talking to them.

I just can't help wincing when some white atheist starts going on about how great Christopher Hitchens is. And they do it all the damn time.

There are some good comments on that Pharyngula thread--more so than this cynical brown female atheist would have expected! But still a lot of failtastic comments. And you know, I REALLY don't want to have to keep explaining things to people who just parrot "I don't see race/gender." Hasn't Stephen Colbert adequately demolished this?

Siviku Hutchinson dares to use words that some ignorant white people can't understand and that provides a convenient excuse to dismiss her for talking in "jargon."

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